Tell me again that these people are not terrorists.
A claim of responsibility for an arson attack on a car, posted anonymously on an animal rights website, is being investigated by Sussex Police.... protesters planted two incendiary devices under the four-wheel drive, destroying it ... "People who sign contracts with or deal with Huntingdon need to realise that your decisions will come back to haunt you forever, even when you have gone." Animal rights probe over car fire
Let's see
- Threats to commit violence
- Use of bombs
- Self belief in righteousness of a cause justifying any means
Try tell me this isn't terrorism (or a Bush led negotiating policy). Tell me it's just animal lovers who care about animals, not fundamentalists as bad as any other terrorist. Go on.
Mark my words, it's only a matter of time before some innocent dies.
1. Chris
I’m sorry, any point you might have had (and that I’d probably have agreed with, seeing as skimming down the article you seemed to be calling animal rights “activists” terrorists) is utterly negated by the fact you used “you’re” in the title to indicate a posessive and the apoplectic fit of grammar-nazi rage it induced in me caused temporary blindness to any valid point you may have made.
2. Adrian
Ahem. /looks at the floor like an admonished kid Fixed.
Look we all know I don’t pick up typos. But even Dan has been making them in his NaNoWriMo book, and Dan’s like an English teacher and everything.
3. Destructor
The worst thing about this particular case is that the guy they were compaining about was already dead! She was like, his widow. What’s this threat meant to do, exactly, make her stop…marrying people…who work for Huntington?
4. Adrian
No no silly. Didn’t you read the article. They’re targeting people beyond the grave too (at lest when they are not digging them up.
I mean their cause is so justified that they are prepared to cross over and haunt you even when you are dead. That’s how bad their victims are. Obviously you have to have done some real when the living feel justified to haunt you.
Apparently it’s on all the 24 hour dead news stations. It even led to spin off shows like “Evil Living” and “Living most haunted”
5. Destructor
You also capitalized the second ‘right’ in the post title.
And if you don’t pick up typos, what’s with pointing them out at my site, eh? Eh?
6. Adrian
I capitalized the second right for emphasis, and to show change from the first right. Not correct written grammar I know, but it looked silly with two rights together exactly the same. And we all know two right don’t make a wrong (boom boom).
I picked up one type on your site once. It was pure accident.
7. Lyle
The irony of mis-spelling “typo” is great, Adrian…
As for your initial point, I agree - both the “Animal Rights” people in the UK, and the anti-abortion ones in the US.
When launching a War Against Terror™, clean up your own shite first.
8. Adrian
Um, really embarrassed now, but how did I misspell typo? Dan spelt it the same way. The irony would be more ironic if it was intentional, but I’m just clueless.
Easy to sell a “War against a noun Terror” than against people who are just trying to safe the cute furry animals/cute fluffy kids those nasty men in lab coats are doing nasty things against.
Where the noun, now that’s much easier to fight. You can fight nouns on other peoples shores. So we don’t have to fight them here.
9. Destructor
“We need to start not fighting them over there, so we can start not fighting them over here.” as they said on TDS last night.
You wrote typo with an ‘e’ instead of an ‘o’.
Please excuse all my future typos as trying to make some kind of obscure point via spelling mistakes.
10. Adrian
Oh I missed that. Probably because I was searching for ‘typo’ not ‘typ’
Dan, I take everything you say as trying to make some obscure point. Normally the obscure point I think you are trying to make is that I am right.
11. nrgza
I think you need to give up the typo/spelling/pot calling the kettle black fight here, Ade. Sorry mate but you are officially the WORST speller I know. And before you go on the ‘I’m an engineer!’ tangent, I want you to know, that I love reading your blog, typos and all, and I’ve just about got to the point where I can stop typing, then erasing and never posting, spelling corrections. Please let it go so I don’t have to go back to square one!
12. Adrian
Hey I’m not calling anything black. I’m just saying others are fallible.
And please do correct my mistakes. It’s the only way I’ll learn.
13. nrgza
Okay, okay, back up here - you’re giving me license to correct you on every single time you make a spelling or grammar mistake?
14. Adrian
Go for it.
Now can we get back to bitching about animal rights nutters.
15. Jayne
yes definitely, it is wrong to make a protest in a violent way, no matter what the person is campaigning for or against. But do they have a point (if it were a peaceful protest)? I’ve heard that there is no cosmetic testing on animals in the UK…so is this all medical? why do we assume human life is more valuable than animal life, is it right to do so? Personally I would agree with testing on animals for important medical purposes, as long as the animals were treated in a humane way.
16. Adrian
I have no problems with peaceful protest. However violent protest takes away any relevance you may have had.
AFAIK all this is against medical testing.
Some people value human life more than animals. Some people think that animals (mostly rats) are worth using to save humans. As someone who has a friend who has died of cancer, I’m more than ready to debate that humans are more valuable than animals in this respect.
Blowing shit up however is not debate, and at that point I no longer care about your point of view, any more than I do any other terrorist.
17. Coop
Kill ‘em all. Bunch of useless fuckers who probably ain’t got jobs in the first place.(The violent protesters that is - not the animals)
Round them all up, give them a good beating, run a few tests on them for a few drugs, then ship them off to France. Let them go rioting over there like.
18. Destructor
Mark my words, it’s only a matter of time before some innocent dies.
Some innocent…fuzzy bunny-wabbit?
19. Adrian
You’ve been watching too much Wallace and Gromit.
20. Joules
Round them all up, give them a good beating, run a few tests on them for a few drugs, then ship them off to France. Let them go rioting over there like. (my emphasis)
Now that would solve the whole problem, wouldn’t it? Replace the animals with the animal rights protestors terrorists. If they think that animals are more important than humans, they shouldn’t object to being used to trial drugs to save lives, should they?
My apologies for being deliberately disingenuous. These people make me angry. And much as I love animals, and would cheerfully disembowel anyone who dared to hurt one of my pets, until the day a rat writes a symphony to rival Beethoven’s, or a play to challenge Shakespeare, or a novel to equal Orwell, I cannot agree that animals are of more worth than humans.
21. Jayne
but is it because we are human that we think human life is more important? is it because animals are (generally) less intelligent than us that their lives are supposed to have less value? I’m not condoning what the protesters are doing…but I’m sure a rat’s life is as important to the rat as our lives are to us…
22. Adrian
I don’t think it is actually. I don’t think a rat has that level of understading. It has insticnts, but not sentient thought that values importance of existance.
One could argue simplisticly that we are higher up the evolutionary tree than a rat and hence more important.
One could argue that we are capable of far greater things than the rat and hence are more important.
If you do think that a rat is that important, you better be a strict vegetarian and live in the forest in a tree house. Although how do we know the tree doesn’t think that IT is important too.
I can’t agree with value placed on animals over humans. Ask me to shoot a dog or a human, and I’ll shoot the dog everytime. Animals are not equal to humans. That doesn’t mean they have no value or importance, but they are not equal, and I can’t see an argument saying they are better.
23. Jayne
it’s interesting isn’t it…there isn’t any way of proving how self-aware animals actually are…my guess is that it is pretty high, I am vegetarian etc but then I do rely on non-holistic medecine being there from time to time so perhaps my beliefs don’t really match up my actions. I admire people who try and live as much to their values as possible and protest for animal rights, but when it becomes violent it’s wrong. Trees and plants don’t have nervous systems or brains so I can eat them and feel ok. hehehh
24. Adrian
Jayne, you are quite right, it probably is hard to quantify how much self awareness animals do have. Although I do think their is probably some good science on this, and with research into brain wave patterns and MRI scans and the like, some smart people do have a good idea. People smarter than me.
I do however think that animals have a lower understanding of importance, where we have intellectual capabilities to prioritise (even against our natural instinct) animals tend to be mostly instinct based when it comes to concepts like importance.