Where the fuck do you people get off?
Animal rights extremists threatened to make life a "living hell" for employees of a nursery linked to an animal testing laboratory, it has emerged ... said employees of the nursery would "pay the consequences" for the links ... The scheme was withdrawn by the nursery to protect children and staff.
Seriously, can some one explain to me why we let these terrorists get away with this. At least with these lot we know who they are and where they live. Arrest the fuckers. How can this sort shit be legal?
So now it's ok to fuck up children's lives because you think you have a cause to bang a drum on. I hope the lot of them die of some otherwise curable disease.
1. Coop
God I hate it when I have to agree with you Sev. You’re right, I think that this sort of act is disgusting, and you are right - this is totally an act of terrorism. I would love to see these guys get arrested and put under the terrorism act.
I would also love to experiment on them. I mean if they think that testing on animals is wrong, then why don’t they run a substitute programme, donating their own lives and bodies instead of the oh so cute rats and things that they have.
2. Damo
Oh my god, there is somebody out there who actually agrees with me. They are terrorists, they should be prosecuted and they should be experimented on in place of the hamsters and bassett hounds. Harsh I know, but there you go.
3. Gordon
The right to protest is all too often taken as the right to terrorise, harass and generally step WAY over the mark set by acceptable society.
Is this so far removed from any OTHER kind of “extremist” activities? Is this so different from the religious fervour seen in the Middle East?
Be it religion or any other cause, extremists should be dealt with extremely. Lock them up.
OR
I agree!
4. Matthew
I agree too, surprisingly.
But we don’t ‘let these terrorists get away with it’. If any of these so-called extremists commit any crime against any employee of a company that performs animal testing, they will be punished to the full extent of the law. It’s just very hard to find the sender of an anonymous letter, even if it is signed ‘Animal Rights Militia’. Terrorists don’t usually leave their address.
5. Adrian
But they are committing crimes. The threats are as much a crime as the incidenary devices. And they are getting away with it.
If we can track down the 7/7 bombers, they can track down these extremists too. The difference being, it doesn’t look as good for the government to crack down on these extremists, because people find it easier to distrust a man with a beard than a cute fluffy animal.
6. Matthew
I can’t see any government expending as many resources as they did finding the 7/7 bombers on an animal rights group who send threatening letters. They might use their might on whoever left the ‘device’ mentioned in the article linked above though.
And fortunately, threats are not as much of a crime as incendiary devices. Causing someone harm will always be punished more severely than saying you will. If, on the other hand, these extremists blew up half a dozen research centres then I can assure you, they would be punished accordingly.
7. Adrian
Well if a they have problems with inciting or glorifying violence in the mosques, how is that different from
And the worst bit is, these fuckers are winning. The nursery cancelled the vouchers for Huntingdon. Right, they don’t have to use incendiaries, because they have done so in the past, and the threat of victimisation is so great, that they have terrorised these people into toeing their line.
This is not political discourse, this is not protest. This is fucking out and out terrorism.
Watch if I send a letter saying the same thing to Mayor Ken unless we pull our of Iraq, I’m going to do the same to the tube workers. I’ll be on the evening news within a day.
These fuckers (and yes I am wound up, and annoyed at this, and mean the weight of the foul language) have fucking won, and unless a very solid message is sent to them (i.e. arrested and convicted), someone is going to die. Someone who’s crime is research medicine that might save my, or my families life one day. Or worse, maybe one of their kids might die, or their friends or the partner, because we all know terrorists pretty much lump anyone as a them not an us.
8. emchi
It’s always the lone gunman scenario. One will always get through. It doesn’t matter that on some occasions that the experiments will be carried out in order to save lives. I can understand why certain research establishments would want to build premises behind a police cordone.
I don’t believe in animal testing for vanity, but I do in medical research. Either way it doesn’t make me want to kill someone or anyone associated with the practice. At least they’re doing some good in a long term.
9. Destructor
Maybe when they say ‘living hell’, they just mean that they’ll feel so guilty that life will be a living hell for them?
10. Sara
I know this won’t be a very popular statement, but there is another perspective: The members of ALF feel that the company is committing a crime — not recognized as a crime YET, but one which may be more widely accepted as cruel and unnecessary in the future. It’s hard for people who don’t empathize with animals to see it this way, but animal lovers feel that cruelty to animals is like cruelty to children, or toddlers. Animals like rabbits, dogs, etc. are the same intelligence level, emotional awareness, and capacity for pain as a two-year-old. Imagine if someone were running a company where they poured toxic chemicals on toddlers, and then forced them to swallow poison. you would feel justified in exerting extreme measures, wouldn’t you?
11. Adrian
Imagine what the world would be like if we could decide and act on what we thought were crimes, even if the democratic government we had elected hadn’t quite got around to declaring it a crime.
Like how about if we decided bringing shame on ones family was a crime. Then we would be entitled to go and be judge jury and executioner.
How about if we deicide that abortion is a crime. What then? How about if we decided it was a crime to be American, or Gay, or Jewish?
I think it’s FUD, to paint medical research in the same light as pouring acid and poison on toddlers. Firstly the vast majority of animals tested on are rats and mice, specially bred for the labs. Very few animals used are rabbits, dogs and monkeys. A lot of research is painless and although the animals do die, they die in a controlled and painless way. Vast effort goes into making sure the animals are kept as humanely as possible.
The biggest problem I have, is that these terrorist (calling them animal lovers implies that if you do not agree with them or are a research scientist you are an animal hater which is frankly untrue) feel that their cause justifies them taking away my democrat right, of voting for a government that supports scientific research for medicines I sure as hell want if I or people I care about get ill. I’d rather not bury another friend who gets cancer. If you think this is a crime, vote for a government that supports you. Become a terrorist you lose all rights to your cause.
Also, I want each of these so called animal lovers to prove to me that they don’t eat any animal products, don’t take any medicine from a pharmaceutical company that does animal modelling, doesn’t drive in any cars that you can get leather seats for, etc etc. I’d be surprised if they were all suddenly so pure and holy.
As I have said before, these ‘animal lovers’ could do a lot more good for animals, by raising money for conservation and the rspca than going after the daycare where the toddlers of scientists might be.